Fish Posts:6
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| 2/15/2010 12:25 PM |
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So i've been playing river chasers for about a year and a half now and i love it. Great organization, great events, great people. I do have one thing that i was a little upset about though. My most recent final table i was in a hand with pocket aces against a player who had K-7 off suit. Flop came out king 3 king, so i made a move and put the player all in. Bad move on my part but i had a monster stack so i felt obligated to make it. well i turn over my bullets and he flips over three cards. Thats right 3. He allowed the dealer to put his first burn card on top of his two cards. i'm upset about the rulling that was handed down about the tournament director. Obviously he should not have won but the tournament director rulled that he was infact the winner and he was in the right. I strongly disagree. He should have been mucked and that should have been the end of it. But being the nice guy i am i offered to chop it being as he made a honest over sight. why should two players be punished for the mistake of a dealer? why is that rulling handed down? am i crazy or does anyone else think the guy running the tournament was wrong? i'm interested in hearing what you have to say? maybe even hear what someone thinks at RPT. I have to be honest, i'm a little let down about how a professional organization like RPT dropped the ball. Let me know...
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Eric Aman Posts:193
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| 2/15/2010 1:09 PM |
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| I think u were beat anyway so who cares unless u want to win based on a technicality. To answer your question yes I think your crazy for caring anyway its a free game that your complaining about and you said you were being a nice guy when this happened only to bitch about it now so you should just drop it, its not that important. |
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jccappel121304 Posts:13
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| 2/15/2010 1:33 PM |
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no you are in the right. the other players hand should have been mucked on technecallity we have players that like to be strict about the rules and make sure they are followed and that tournament directors follow the rules as well since the burn card is considered to be in the muck pile the fact that his cards were at one point face down on the table with a mucked burn card with his whole cards yes that players hand is mucked. you were a nice person to not just say hey look i win but at least chop the pot
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gikiss Posts:53
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| 2/15/2010 2:19 PM |
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| Here's the thing with Riverchasers or any free poker, the players are dealing and are obviously not professionals. When I am at a table I try to watch what people are doing even when I am not dealing, because intentionally or not, people do screw up. If you honestly thought the guy didn't have the king and looked at the burn card seeing a king and oh yeah trips, that would be one thing, but you don't really say that. It's seems pretty obvious it was an honest mistake, and the guy had the hand, the dealer screwed up, and your right both players shouldn't be punished, but you winning half of an unearned pot would be punishing the guy with the winning hand, despite the bad beat. Now it is the players responsibility to protect their cards, but even that can get a little gray if the dealer mucks someones cards by accident. This was out of the player's control though, so even though it's annoying to lose (which I think is really what is the underlying issue you have is) I would tend to agree with the TD's ruling on this one. If this had been the other way around and the guy had totally missed the flop and had say pockets jacks against your aces and a random 2 got thrown on top of your cards, you probably wouldn't feel so great if the TD had awarded the pot to the other guy, or even split it up, when it was pretty obvious based on how you played the hand what you had. Think about it. |
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BLAISE Posts:15
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| 2/15/2010 2:38 PM |
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I think we all need to slow down when it is our turn to deal. Encourage people to leave the burn cards next to the flop (and clearly separate from the muck) and alot of these problems will be resolved.
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wolfshead Posts:1296
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| 2/15/2010 3:11 PM |
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Technically you are right about the hand being mucked as it touched but as it's a "RPT game there is the one overriding rule
The Tournament Director’s decision is final.
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Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Schiller)
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BigP Posts:4
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| 2/15/2010 3:58 PM |
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| What Fish should have done is cry about it and then post something on the website. |
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Shortpro Posts:223
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| 2/15/2010 4:42 PM |
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He had K-7...I have no sympathy for this DONK. Enforce the rules. If it were reversed some d-bag would enforce it on you. Kindness is never rewarded in poker. |
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Fish Posts:6
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| 2/15/2010 5:16 PM |
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Posted By Eric Aman on 2/15/2010 1:09 PM
I think u were beat anyway so who cares unless u want to win based on a technicality. To answer your question yes I think your crazy for caring anyway its a free game that your complaining about and you said you were being a nice guy when this happened only to bitch about it now so you should just drop it, its not that important.
It would be a different story if it happened to you but okay bud.
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Eric Aman Posts:193
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| 2/15/2010 5:21 PM |
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| No I wouldnt bitch about it at all, especially on here trust me! |
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BigP Posts:4
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| 2/15/2010 5:23 PM |
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Sounds like fighting words.
I wouldn't blame the TD for the mishap....just blame Bush. |
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BigP Posts:4
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| 2/15/2010 5:27 PM |
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| Eric Aman continually uses this forum to vent his frustration about the games, TDs and smell of marijuana smoke reeking off the players. |
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Fish Posts:6
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| 2/15/2010 5:33 PM |
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| I'm not crying about anything i'm simply bringing this to the attention of the RPT community, tourney directors, and organizers. It's blogs like this that make RPT better than it was before a blown rulling. RPT is a professional company that i'm sure values the customer feedback. I'm okay with the loss i just think it's something people should be educated on. If i was crying about it i would have posted this back when it happened on Dec. 17th 2009 at Triumph. Just felt like it was an important hand to bring up. Good blogg topic, a bad beat and a bad rulling all in one. A? |
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BigP Posts:4
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| 2/15/2010 6:26 PM |
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| You have started a very fascinating discussion as well as proved that you are a big vag. Thanks! |
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denbronco44 Posts:52
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| 2/15/2010 11:48 PM |
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| The hand should have ended when the dude flipped over three cards...are we seriously debating this????? Was anyone involved in the hand other than the guy with three cards aware of what his original two cards were? Probably not!!! Therefore, the "three-card hand" is void and AA is the winner. Also, it is likely that the guy with three cards and the TD are "homies" and the TD intended to make the judgment in his favor which isn't too far fetched considering I see such rulings just about every game I play in. But GOD FORBID anyone speaks out about it. So while we are bitching, I was at a tournament last week, and prior to the start of the game, a player decided that he was just going to up and leave for some reason or another. He bought food and turned his receipt in for his extra seventy-five chips and then gave the chips to the girl sitting next to him and said they were hers and left. The RTD, yes Regional Tournament Director started off by telling him that he can't do that. When the man who gave up the chips (who also happens to be a trustee at the club we were playing in) said something along the line of "no it's o.k.," the RTD left it go and did not say another word about it. To top it all off, RPT rules are being randomly bent and even completely changed by Trustees in the very games they are playing in and left to stand. Anyone else see the problem with this???? Also, I hear it announced every freaking game and repetitively emphasized, "DO NOT TALK ABOUT A HAND OR ANYONE ELSE'S WHETHER YOU KNOW WHAT SOMEONE HAS OR NOT WHEN THE HAND IS STILL BEING PLAYED OUT. IT UNFAIRLY INFLUENCES THE PLAY OF THE FOLKS INVOLVED." Well, I got into what was a friendly "debate" at the time with a player at my table who also happens to be the wife of a regular TD in our area. She insisted that she can talk about the hand and what she thinks another person has or whether they are drawing or not, and that it is not a rule and never announced as one. This may or may not be an official rule of RPT, however there apparently are no official rules judging by the decisions made by TD's and again, it is constantly announced prior to the start of all games not to do so. The so called "debate" became unfriendly when the TD and husband of the opposing party claimed that it is ok to make such statements during a hand. Just like when he is running a game, he gives his wife extra chips when she didn't even order food. Shit's getting old and It's pretty sad to see that I am the only one with the balls to actually point out these issues, and then be told it was dealt with, only to see the same problems occur at the very next event. No wonder I'm always getting XXXX from TD's. It's time to hand the TD duties over to people who will consistently run all games the same and make fair and unbiased rulings on a regular basis. Oooops, maybe that's why I'm not a TD. The current TD's and their "homies" wouldn't get their unfair advantage and favorable end of every ruling they are involved in anymore. Peace gangsters ;p |
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Tom McMenamin Posts:799
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| 2/16/2010 6:06 AM |
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| Den, you pat yourself for having the"balls to point these issues out". If you really had balls you would be using the names of these people. You know and I know the proper ettiquette for this would be to notify management via an email as opposed to attempting to be the big man on campus and save the world via a post in the forum. |
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denbronco44 Posts:52
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| 2/16/2010 3:40 PM |
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| There is no need to use their names on here considering they read this forum and know exactly who I am, and who they are. And posting their names would be quite ignorant and unprofessional. Also, in the past I have contacted management regarding similar issues and have been replied to promptly via email as well as by phone, though any "resolution" was short-lived and/or completely absent. |
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Fish Posts:6
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| 2/16/2010 10:46 PM |
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Posted By BigP on 2/15/2010 6:26 PM
You have started a very fascinating discussion as well as proved that you are a big vag. Thanks!
How am i a vag? By bringing up a mistake made by someone who should know better? You're a joker my friend. This is a blog for adults, not a conversation with a teenager in a internet poker room. If you don't know how to talk to people, don't. I'm not interested about anything you have to say buddy.
I wrote Griff an e-mail and he responded standing behind the decision. I respectfully disagree and so do the other 50 or so people i have talked to about it. Obviously he is just standing by one of his guys, which i understand. I guess customer service/customer satisfaction isn't RPTs strong suit. I was a General Manager at a local gym in the area for a while, and if i had someone felt they were wronged we would send them merchandise, a free t-shirt with the gym logo, or coupons for free drinks with a letter of saying sorry for the issue. RPT doesn't have to pick a side but they should want to make it right, or at least attempt. I guess some things dont matter.
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Eric Aman Posts:193
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| 2/16/2010 11:28 PM |
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| I'm just sick of people coming on here complaining about RPT all the time when its a free game that they provide with prizes and some cash that you can get when they dont need to. How about I send you a coupon for some free cheese to go with that wine that you probably will be drinking! Just go and play some cards and dont take this free game so seriously I mean its not like your putting up some cash cause if you were then your comments might be justified ok buddy! |
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| 2/17/2010 7:53 AM |
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| Griff-I agree with Fish's last post-you gotta pair of them nice RPT lace panties you can send him? |
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poker savant Posts:57
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| 2/17/2010 8:09 AM |
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| Ummmm???? I doubt they are drinking! If they did or would they would not be complaining about free roll poker. |
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Fish Posts:6
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| 2/17/2010 9:50 AM |
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| Lace panties would be nice, i could put them on your girl while i smash her. You put up cash every time you buy food or beer. Where do you think the prize money comes from. The venues put up the prize because river chasers boosts thee sales. It's a legal loop hole they exploit. If you're sick of people complaining about things maybe you should stop reading the blogs. They're here for feedback. |
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millerd33 Posts:1771
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| 2/17/2010 10:30 AM |
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This is a Forum... Not a Blog...
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millerd33 Posts:1771
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| 2/17/2010 10:33 AM |
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Blog : : a Web site that contains an online personal journal with reflections, comments, and often hyperlinks provided by the writer.
Forum: : a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas. |
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ace5050 Posts:49
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| 2/17/2010 12:55 PM |
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| everyone says this a free game. yes its free to play but there is some prizes and cash to be won and to win your way into bigger touraments which can lead to some great prizes. Yes we need better td's, and why do we keep losing so many venues in schuylkill county? i believe that riverchasers should hold a meeting with all the td's and any members who want to attend to discuss rules, regulations, and the future of riverchasers. this way all the td's would be on the same page. we could find ways to improve the game and get new venues and players. this would lead to less bitching about what is going on. |
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